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ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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0001864 | CCdciel | General | public | 17-12-09 13:29 | 18-01-15 14:57 |
Reporter | Thomas Jaeger | Assigned To | Patrick Chevalley | ||
Priority | none | Severity | trivial | Reproducibility | always |
Status | resolved | Resolution | no change required | ||
Platform | PC | OS | Linux | OS Version | 64bit |
Product Version | 0.9 | ||||
Target Version | 1.0 | ||||
Summary | 0001864: V-curve learning bad quality - suggestions | ||||
Description | - This has low priority - Please look at my v-curve. CCDciel says it has bad quality. I guess the default V-curve learning settings do not fit well to my equipment (8"f5 Newton ASI1600). There are nine settings in the autofocus tab, well documentated but not fully understood by me. What should I change to get v-curve focusing work. Any tipps are welcome. Log of v-curve learning 2017-12-07T17:59:02.009 Take control exposure for 1.0 seconds 2017-12-07T17:59:02.335 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-07T17:59:03.440 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 83520, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-07T17:59:03.625 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-07T17:59:04.676 Measurement 3 hfd:7.4 peak:1723.7 snr:36.6 2017-12-07T17:59:04.677 Vcurve n30 pos:191 hfd:7.3 peak:1723.7 snr:36.6 2017-12-07T17:59:04.679 Cannot reach near focus HFD, please increase Half Width or better center the curve. 2017-12-07T17:59:04.915 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser is moving to position 301 2017-12-07T17:59:09.425 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser reached requested position. | ||||
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The total movement range is not sufficient, you stay too near the focus but this Vcurve method need very defocused image to work. In the message "Cannot reach near focus HFD, please increase Half Width or better center the curve" I must replace "Half Width" by "Max offset" to match the label in the Vcurve window. Try 200 or 300 for Max offset, so it can reach a HFD of 20. For the first try you can reduce the "Number of steps" from 30 to 10 to speedup the process. And in the Preference/Autofocus you can also try to increase n.step from 3 to 5 to better leverage the seeing variation. |
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Hallo Patrick, thanks for your suggestions. I will try it next time, now it snows here in bavaria and tomorrow it turns to rain. My focus is at 300, so setting "Max offset" to 300 can be critical. Are there successful autofocus situations with a HFD of 20 with a newton or cassegrain? I will try a greater offset next time. |
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Sure, be careful to not set a negative focuser position that will not work. The program correctly handle a defocused reflector star image with central obstruction. This V curve is a real one I do with my 150mm F6 Newtonian: https://www.ap-i.net/ccdciel/_detail/en/documentation/learn_vcurve.png The HFD of 20 is only an indication, as you can see in above image it work fine for me, but this can also be 15 or 10. The important point is you get a sufficient linear part in and out of the focus point because this focus method use a linear regression to guess the focus position. This is not the case in your screenshot, it look like your are zoomed in a narrow area around the focus. |
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Thank you for clarification. I will give feedback after the next clear night. Thomas |
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No clear nights here in germany. Thomas |
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Hello Patrick, there were clear skies for a couple of hours last night. So I followed your suggestions and finally I got a sufficient v-curve with long linear parts. Thanks for your intructions. Manual triggered autofocus worked most of the time. Once again I struggled with HFD settings. Setting "Autofocus tolerance" higher made it work. Issue can be closed. Thomas Attachments: Bildschirmfoto vom 2017-12-25 23-14-53 -> first try with fewer points V-Curve-Generation- 2017-12-25 23-21-45 -> final curve V-Curve-Success.log -> manual triggered v-curve autofocus V-Curve-Success.log (4,660 bytes)
2017-12-26T00:31:06.340 Autofocus start Vcurve 2017-12-26T00:31:06.341 Focuser temperature: 20.0 2017-12-26T00:31:06.342 AutoFocus started, initial position: 285 2017-12-26T00:31:06.675 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Requested CCD Frame is (2122,1840) (600 x 600) 2017-12-26T00:31:06.676 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] UpdateCCDFrame ASISetROIFormat (600x600, bin 1, type 2) 2017-12-26T00:31:06.677 Camera frame x=2122 y=1840 width=600 height=600 2017-12-26T00:31:06.678 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Setting frame buffer size to 720000 bytes. 2017-12-26T00:31:06.678 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:07.777 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:08.128 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:08.279 Autofocus running, hfd=4.3 peak:1098.4 snr:28.1 2017-12-26T00:31:08.279 Clear focuser backlash 2017-12-26T00:31:08.619 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser is moving to position 443 2017-12-26T00:31:14.915 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser reached requested position. 2017-12-26T00:31:15.867 Autofocus move to start position 383 2017-12-26T00:31:16.194 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser is moving to position 383 2017-12-26T00:31:18.897 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser reached requested position. 2017-12-26T00:31:20.494 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:21.497 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:21.736 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:21.903 Autofocus mean frame 1/3, hfd=5.6 peak:248.9 snr:9.6 2017-12-26T00:31:22.466 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:23.585 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:23.818 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:23.963 Autofocus mean frame 2/3, hfd=5.8 peak:234.7 snr:9.1 2017-12-26T00:31:24.524 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:25.647 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:25.880 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:26.032 Autofocus mean frame 3/3, hfd=5.1 peak:249.7 snr:9.6 2017-12-26T00:31:26.033 Autofocus running, hfd=5.6 peak:234.7 snr:9.1 2017-12-26T00:31:26.034 Autofocus move to near focus 394 2017-12-26T00:31:26.357 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser is moving to position 394 2017-12-26T00:31:26.976 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser reached requested position. 2017-12-26T00:31:28.571 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:29.712 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:29.953 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:30.117 Autofocus running, hfd=5.1 peak:201.9 snr:8.0 2017-12-26T00:31:30.117 Autofocus measurement1 : HFD=5.115 position=378 2017-12-26T00:31:30.795 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:31.791 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:32.025 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:32.174 Autofocus running, hfd=4.7 peak:184.7 snr:7.4 2017-12-26T00:31:32.175 Autofocus measurement2 : HFD=4.927 position=380 2017-12-26T00:31:32.775 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:33.781 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:34.113 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:34.268 Autofocus running, hfd=3.9 peak:153.8 snr:6.4 2017-12-26T00:31:34.269 Autofocus measurement3 : HFD=4.739 position=381 2017-12-26T00:31:34.269 Autofocus move to focus position 381 2017-12-26T00:31:34.591 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser is moving to position 381 2017-12-26T00:31:35.128 MoonLite: [INFO] Focuser reached requested position. 2017-12-26T00:31:36.724 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] StartExposure->setexp : 1.000s 2017-12-26T00:31:37.622 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Uploading file. Ext: fits, Size: 722880, sendImage? Yes, saveImage? No 2017-12-26T00:31:37.967 ZWO CCD ASI1600MM-Cool: [DEBUG] Upload complete 2017-12-26T00:31:38.116 Autofocus finished, POS=382 HFD=4.5 PEAK:153.4 SNR:6.4 TEMP:20.0 2017-12-26T00:31:38.429 AutoFocus successful |
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Yes this is a good curve and it must work now. Now I return at home and can work again on the program. Don't hesitate if you have other questions. |
Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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17-12-09 13:29 | Thomas Jaeger | New Issue | |
17-12-09 13:29 | Thomas Jaeger | File Added: V-Curve 2017-12-07 18-09-49.png | |
17-12-10 18:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Assigned To | => Patrick Chevalley |
17-12-10 18:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Status | new => feedback |
17-12-10 18:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Note Added: 0004346 | |
17-12-10 22:17 | Thomas Jaeger | Note Added: 0004348 | |
17-12-10 22:17 | Thomas Jaeger | Status | feedback => assigned |
17-12-11 21:56 | Patrick Chevalley | Note Added: 0004353 | |
17-12-11 22:07 | Thomas Jaeger | Note Added: 0004354 | |
17-12-22 18:18 | Thomas Jaeger | Note Added: 0004368 | |
17-12-26 09:48 | Thomas Jaeger | File Added: V-Curve-Generation- 2017-12-25 23-21-45.png | |
17-12-26 09:48 | Thomas Jaeger | File Added: Bildschirmfoto vom 2017-12-25 23-14-53.png | |
17-12-26 09:48 | Thomas Jaeger | File Added: V-Curve-Success.log | |
17-12-26 09:48 | Thomas Jaeger | Note Added: 0004369 | |
18-01-15 14:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Status | assigned => resolved |
18-01-15 14:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Resolution | open => no change required |
18-01-15 14:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Target Version | => 1.0 |
18-01-15 14:57 | Patrick Chevalley | Note Added: 0004385 |